Don’t be afraid: How do you approach a flirt?

***fz Man
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Don’t be afraid: How do you approach a flirt?
We have all been in this situation a couple of times:
you are at a party, a busy street, a bar or somewhere else, when he or she meets your eye. There is something about this person that makes you want to get to know her or him. You start day-dreaming, smiling … but then, you remember that you have to start the flirt first.

  • What do you say?
  • How do you say it?
  • Do you say anything?
  • How do you make first contact?
  • How do you react, if the flirt isn’t answered the way you want it to?


Let’s put together a collection of good experiences and ideas on how you can flirt without having to fear to make a fool of yourself or maybe miss this one opportunity.

Best regards and eager to read from you,
Narfz.
I’m pretty direct. I smile and make eye contact if I have interest. I have no problem walking up to someone and introducing myself. I am confident so it does not bother me if someone does not feel the same.
*****ven Woman
7,330 Posts
For I am not a visual person, it doesn't work for me by just seeing someone. For me interest is very often sparked by hearing something the person says or seeing them dealing with some situation. Last week (in a swinger club) I saw someone that seemed to me like he was there the first time. He made a funny comment to the waiter, so I approached him in a funny way. Something along the lines of ... you look a bit lost .... care to be found?

So, generally I would say (for me) I am watching and looking for something that gives me an approaching idea. So I can start the conversation with something specific and personal ... rather than general.
I am more like small talk and then take it up a bit. Start talking, and say- let's move a bit farther from the noise, so you and me can listen to each other.
*********osaur Man
305 Posts
I think there's two different things:

• Making friends - something you'd do with anyone in any social situation
• Getting a sense of how friendly they want to get

All friendship-making is a form of flirtation - even if just seducing someone into finding your jokes amusing / bothering to hold up their end of the conversation / not wander off in a party.

I find the bit where you go from "we've established we find each other's company entertaining" to "you want dick" you can kind of not worry so much about (although that does mean ending up in bed with people not *100* clear what they're up for, there haven't been any nasty surprises).
***fz Man
10,350 Posts
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Nice, the answers keep pouring in. Thanks guys.

I can very much relate to what Pseudomysosaur said. There are certain levels of first contact, which depend on the general goal.

I like to give the opportunity for setting the goal to the situation and aim for no particular outcome.
The first flirt usually never happens without a contact beforehand - i.e. a look, a touch, a smile, or any other form of nonverbal hint. If I recognize this or a positive reaction to a similar approach by me, I feel invited to talk.

It is a thin line to walk between such an invitation and a misunderstanding. But that makes it interesting in the first place. In my books, the conversation should, always be centered around the setting, the situation and people involved, meaning that I despise generalized tactics or starters. Except, I always start with a friendly "hello" and introduction of myself followed by asking her (mostly) for her name. I find this inviting, at the same time as it is a chance for her to turn down the conversation.

Everything afterwards is highly unique and, again, centered around the setting. What I meant, when I said "I like my opposite to set the goal" was, that I like to openly ask about herself and her interests. It is up to her, whether she answers with hobbies, studies, job, family, sex, dancing or whatever. It gives her the chance to choose something she feels comfortable with to create a relaxed environment for the conversation. An openly started conversation leaves a wide variety of topics, avoiding a narrow frame about how the flirt should turn out.

I realize quickly if her topic and way of talking is also something that suits me well or not, i.e. whether we "click" or not. The direction of this flirt naturally leads to either friendship, sexual tension, a good talk, or even nothing.

The only important thing, for me, is to not have a certain goal in mind. It leaves too little space for something bigger to develop.

Stay curious.
Narfz.
********bari Woman
2 Posts
First of all interesting topic and respectful initiative
Well well a great subject 😋
First of all I am 100% positive that everyone can fuck...subject that interest me zero.
Each and every individual is unique and by saying so I expect unique moments 🙃 I love when a man takes the time for creating a play ground which I feel comfortable in.

Ex. 1 In a dating club we all know why we are there....no need for touching in order to achieve something just play with my main G point between my ears...if you are not experienced enough you will have no control in our body contact at all ...and if I feel I am pushed to next level by a man I just leave it there and I leave the conversation without waisting my time (when I am there I am thirsty)

Ex2 woman with frivol look turn me on it doesn’t meter where I am and they have full PIORITY 🤪 witch means if they are with a man there might be the situation that I have no interest in man at all but I will definitely collaborate with the him in order to bring her to break point🤯

Ex3 in public if I don’t click with you....don’t waist our time...my break point is dancing without feeling that you own my panties and you might win 🥰

In general I am not afraid to say what I need *guckguck*
*********tJake Man
13 Posts
It depends on the person I have in front of me... If I know that she is Dominant, my eyes stays down. 😊

In general I feel confident if I can get some signs coming from the other side... If the person is too cold, I quickly give it up and lose interest.
****la Man
44 Posts
I share the logic of @*********osaur with starting with a Friendship offering if you will. I find almost a kind of Cultural dance really happens when you meet a person the first time, and it is very individual.

What has worked for me best is to be relaxed, and inviting...
It does however help considerably when the opposite side meets you halfway, but I have never had any success with the "you want dick" approach.

My personal experience, based on two Continents and several languages, has taught me that there are somewhat different rules in the game, in each country. For example:

We all know Silvester, out on the street, bottle of wine somewhere, watching the fireworks, and then the countdown....

in Africa.... kissing another woman is no big deal, hugging is practically compulsory
in England.... you might get a kiss from one or two people, but hugging is compulsory
in Germany... hugging is optional
(I really need to extend this list)

I think it is safe to say that you can not apply one rule to everyone, but i am beginning to notice some boundaries depending on country and culture. I would go as far as to say that even a integrated foreigner, become like the country he is living in. God knows, I have become German in the last decade.

but getting back on track, I find a really good resonance with people when I have fun, and this is not always sexual, it can also just be fun. Be it a remark of something or someone, it doesn't always have to be funny, but if you leave room for a response, you often get one.

Regardless of culture or country, one sure way to get a response, is a light compliment, the rest is paying attention and body language. Moderation and patience is key.

Oh and one more thing... it really helps if you live in a big city, it's just numbers...
really nice topic *g*
sometimes I wonder why it seems so complicated
or why german men seem so shy
*********osaur Man
305 Posts
@****co Germans seem to be pretty socially risk averse - very serious about close friendships but slow to form new friendships.

I think on flirting specifically the shyness of German men is less of a puzzle after you've tried flirting with German women.

As a Brit, it's like the polar opposite of, say, a friendly platonic chat with a Spanish woman - intense eye contact and constant touches to your arm don't mean what they'd mean in Britain - it's just "normal politeness" for Spain.

Think of flirting like one of those trust games where you close your eyes and let yourself start to fall and hope that a stranger catches you.

In Spain the social norm is that it's very poor behaviour not to catch someone - you're not obliged to have sex or even flirt back, you just shouldn't make it a humiliating experience.

In Germany the social norm is more "don't bother people - if you do, don't be surprised if they just watch you crash and burn".

Insofar as that's the case, it's perfectly natural that Spaniards are less likely to view flirting as a scary business than Germans - they legitimately (albeit possibly incorrectly!) have less reason to think it'll be a humiliating experience.

For what it's worth, if this sounds critical of Germany, I'm actually a bit more comfortable with German reserve than Spanish openness - as a Brit, I'm socialised to feel that people really shouldn't bother each other (if they want to talk to random strangers, they'll go to a pub and get drunk).

(Germany-Britain-Spain is a fairly narrow range - I've talked to women from South America and I flinch just at the second hand descriptions of trying to walk from one side of the street to the other - it's a world away from Germans-who-stare-intently-on-the-ubahn).
good morning!
read you comment but don't know what to answer
as wise as before...
but thank you
so it's not my fault *zwinker*
sometimes I wish there could be a mix of black guys courage and Germans shyness...
so much access to see the worlds different behaviour, why not learn from each other...
it gives me hope to see men come together in workshops to come back to feel their own strength, their position as a man...
seemingly an endless topic
but I enjoy training my english
Most of the time I'm reading more than writing myself
Too many men misinterpret friendliness of a woman as interest in "more"...

As a British woman, I like a lot of smalltalk and socialising, and perhaps my extrovert way to enjoy social gatherings, parties and such makes too many men think that I am available even if I very soon mention that I am in a happy and committed relationship. Hundreds of men have tried get into my pants, only focusing on my look and body, rarely on me as a woman and a person. It gets old, very old.

There are subtle signs which say "flirt", but there is no recipe for that. One can only practice, practice, practice - and over the time, you'll notice how things work.
*********osaur Man
305 Posts
@****ee "As a British woman, I like a lot of smalltalk and socialising, and perhaps my extrovert way to enjoy social gatherings, parties and such makes too many men think that I am available even if I very soon mention that I am in a happy and committed relationship. Hundreds of men have tried get into my pants, only focusing on my look and body, rarely on me as a woman and a person. It gets old, very old."

HUGE DISCLAIMER - the proceeding points are not a personal attack, just generic observations which apply (at least) as much to me.

It's human nature to feel the rub of your shoe more keenly than someone else's broken leg.

We all use other people to make us feel good - that's no less true if it's just someone to chat with at a party or someone to hold you and make you feel valuable in bed.

We also all get tired of other people when they don't give us what we want - or want things that we don't want.

Other people are tiresome, petty, venal, grasping and - worst of all - when they look at us they also just see "other people". They're entitled - and, worse, they don't respect our just entitlements!

There is no ultimate arbiter of justice to say that you just ought to be able have X amount of one kind of socialising without the tiresome burden of hope in someone else's eyes that you might be up for Y amount of another kind.

But there is a choice to be made about whether you focus on the justness of what you take from other people - or what they take from you.
****la Man
44 Posts
Quote from *********osaur:
@****ee "
We all use other people to make us feel good - that's no less true if it's just someone to chat with at a party or someone to hold you and make you feel valuable...
if both parties are "using" each other, we could say they are sharing, a somewhat more positive approach, but only applicable if done with respect for each others boundaries.

The fact that you give off a "available" appearance at social gatherings could be that you are a very inviting personality ( or stunning body), or that you surround yourself with utterly desperate men, the latter being the obvious choice, however I am going to go with inviting personality judging from your comments on the topic.

Care to share the top 3 things men get wrong when approaching you? (Besides ignoring that you are in a Relationship) Then at least we can learn what NOT to do when approaching woman. (Your perspective)

Think of it as aid and assist to the league of Desperado's (hopefully reading this)
*********osaur Man
305 Posts
@*******Bill "if both parties are "using" each other, we could say they are sharing, a somewhat more positive approach, but only applicable if done with respect for each others boundaries."

Sure - I'm not attaching any moral judgement to "using" - could easily replace with "cooperating".

I think it's maybe useful to distinguish consent from satisfaction.

Lets say you're completely upfront about your preferences for ONS but frequently find women to be upset that there is no second date.

There's no question that these weren't consensual encounters - but if you're aware that the other party not infrequently finds them unsatisfying I think you've got to ask questions that are tougher than "maybe they're desperate/inexperienced".

To be clear - I don't what the answer should be - but I do feel it's something that ought to bother people.
****la Man
44 Posts
*ballaballa* you lost me a bit there, I was Answering to a reply of a British woman, and am now writing to what seems to be a rather annoyed looking warrior from the late 18 century...

I'll just continue pretending there is a real woman in there somewhere. *gehirnschnecke*

Are you implying that men are more inclined to just want the primal lust satisfaction, instead of opening themselves up to a intelectual friendship through the erotic filled moments of a encounter, resulting in a repetitive rejection cycle, and that this ought to not be the case?

or am I completely lost *oede*

what are you trying to say people ought to consider?
*********osaur Man
305 Posts
@*******Bill "Are you implying that men are more inclined to just want the primal lust satisfaction, instead of opening themselves up to a intelectual friendship through the erotic filled moments of a encounter, resulting in a repetitive rejection cycle, and that this ought to not be the case?"

My bad for any lack of clarity.

I'm saying I don't think it matters what gender/sex you are, what you're looking for, what the people you interact with are looking for.

What matters is whether (you and) the people you interact are happy with the interactions - or whether they (or you) frequently seem to get hurt/end up unsatisfied.

Everything else is, I think, window dressing.
****la Man
44 Posts
Would I then be correct to reduce that to Empathy, or empathic people?

I agree with your mindset, but the problem is that people are brought up based on different principles and values, and this changes there concept of Empathy slightly. I fully agree with you that people ought to be mindful of the other persons intentional interactions, but consider this for one moment.

Let's say you were brought up in a house where physical violence was normal, not only between adults, but also children or adult to children etc. Such a individual would think nothing of a more robust approach in a new relationship, because his interpretation of "hard sex" includes more than just the odd slap...

One would interpret this as less respectful, or even worse, but to this person it is normal. Now before you explode on my rather hard-core example, the point is only that it is difficult to judge people based on your perception or standards....

This would be a logical explanation I could offer for some of the people I have met online. Nationality really play's a BIG role.

So I am going to try and bring this back to the topic again "approaching the flirt"

I think it is safe to say that we all agree that there should be a mutual respect basis where both sides agree on, the "interactions" mentioned by @*********osaur and that both side ought to care more about this, but I seem to be arguing that the baseline of this "rule-set" is strongly influence by culture.

How does this affect the "Approach"
What worked for you in London, could be much different to that in Berlin, or New York. So maybe we should narrow the topic down to: "Don’t be afraid: How do you approach a German flirt?"

"Stop me at any time when you think I might be losing the plot"
*****ven Woman
7,330 Posts
I would argue, that there might be (I think there are) cultural differences regarding the baseline of flirting behaviour. But I would also argue, that there is a very broad bandwith regarding people and their upbringing within countries, genders, ages .... so things cancel eachother out (in my opinion) and what remains is: Watch people, be kind, try to find a connection to the specific person rather than trying to write a dissertation regarding "the people of country x, gender b, upbringing g and age q" thinking there might be one "recipe" to apply.
****la Man
44 Posts
I agree with you wholeheartedly @*******n_78, there is no recipe, but out of my own experience, I must say "african me" does not do well in Europe, so I am developing "europen me" right now, and even though it's not a recipe per say, there are rules and guides.

An example if I may...

I grew up in a place where spitting was common practice. There was even etiquette versions of spitting politely. To me this is normal behavior for a human. (African)

Public spitting is frowned upon and considered repulsive, instead paper handkerchiefs are used for transport and disposal. (European)

my resulting "europen me" guide addition:
spitting is tolerated when doing outdoor sport.
or in super ninja mode when nobody is watching in public *ninja*

bonus Having some handkerchiefs available for someone, is considered thoughtful.

so if you would extrapolate this into a "how to approach someone" you could end up trying to :
  • offer someone a handkerchief when they sneezed...(polite)
  • offer someone a handkerchief with your phone number...(direct)
  • wipe someone's nose/lipstick/mascara with a handkerchief...( *hae* )


The first option is failsafe

I might be over analysing this a bit... but I am having fun doing it...
what do you guys think?
****la Man
44 Posts
*oede*
well now, that kinda killed it...





*floet*
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